VATICAN CITY -- Pope Francis has exposed the political âmanoeuvresâ used to sway votes during the two most recent elections of popes, while denying he is planning to reform the process for future conclaves, in a book-length interview published Tuesday.
The revelations are contained in âPope Francis, Successor: My Memories of Pope Benedict XVI,â in which the Argentine pope reflects on his relationship with the late German pope and settles some scores with Benedictâs longtime aide.
The book, written as a conversation with the correspondent for Spainâs ABC daily, Javier Martínez-Brocal, comes at a delicate time for the 87-year-old Francis. His frail health has raised questions about how much longer he will remain pope, whether he might follow in Benedictâs footsteps and resign, and who might eventually replace him.
In the book, Francis revealed previously confidential details about the 2005 conclave that elected Benedict pope and the 2013 ballot in which he himself was elected, saying he was allowed to deviate from the cardinalsâ oath of secrecy because he is pope.
In 2005, Francis said, he was âusedâ by cardinals who wanted to block the election of Benedict â then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger â and that they managed to sway 40 out of 115 votes. The idea wasnât to elect the Argentine but rather to force a compromise candidate after knocking Ratzinger out of the running, he said.
âThey told me afterward that they didnât want a âforeignâ pope,â â in other words, a non-Italian one â Francis said, making clear that the process wasnât so much about the Holy Spirit inspiring cardinals as it was a cold, hard political calculus.
Francis said he put an end to the manoeuvring by announcing that he wouldnât accept being pope, after which Ratzinger was elected.
âHe was the only one who could be pope in that moment,â Francis said, adding that he, too, voted for Ratzinger.
In 2013, after Benedict's resignation, there was also political manoeuvring involved. Francis â then Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio âsaid he only realized after the fact that cardinals were coalescing behind him, pestering him with questions about the church in Latin America and dropping hints that he was gaining support.
He said it finally dawned on him that he might be pope when Spanish Cardinal Santos Abril y Castelló came running after him after lunch on March 13, just before what would become the final ballot.
The Spanish cardinal had what was clearly a health-related question about Bergoglio's ability to take on the physical rigors of the papacy, after opponents apparently had raised his health as a possible impediment to his election.
âEminence, is it true youâre missing a lung?â Francis recounted Abril as saying, to which he replied that he had part of one lung removed after a respiratory infection. After he assured the cardinal that the operation had taken place more than 50 years earlier, he remembered Abril muttering: âOh these last-minute manoeuvresâŚâ
Francis in the interview denied rumours he is planning any reform of the conclave rules for a future papal election.
Conservative media have speculated, without any attribution, that Francis was tinkering with the protocols to limit pre-conclave discussions about the needs of the church to cardinals aged under 80. Only those cardinals â most of whom were appointed by Francis â are able to vote for the next pope, but older colleagues are currently allowed to take part in the earlier discussions.
While Francis denied any such reform, he revealed he was revising the protocol for papal funerals. Francis said Benedict's would be âthe last wake in which the body of a pope is exposed in an open coffin, on a bier.â
He said he wanted to ensure popes âare buried like any son of the church,â in a dignified, but not excessive manner.
In the book, Francis also settles some scores with Benedictâs longtime secretary, Archbishop Georg Gaenswein, whom he initially fired and then exiled from the Vatican after what he described as a series of imprudent decisions that âmade life difficult for me.â
Gaenswein is widely believed to have helped fuel the anti-Francis opposition during Benedict's decade-long retirement, allowing Benedict to be used by conservatives nostalgic for his doctrinaire papacy. He was behind some of the biggest hiccups in the unusual cohabitation of two popes.
Francis reveals details about one well-known incident in 2020, in which Cardinal Robert Sarah, the conservative former Vatican liturgy chief, co-authored a book with Benedict reasserting the need for a celibate priesthood.
The book was published at the precise moment Francis was considering calls to relax celibacy requirements and allow married priests in order to address a shortage of clergy in the Amazon. It caused a stir because Benedictâs participation in the book raised the prospect of the former pope trying to influence the decision-making of a current one.
Francis squarely blames Gaenswein for the affair, insisting that Sarah was a âgood manâ who perhaps was âmanipulated by separatist groups.â Francis said he felt compelled to sideline Gaenswein after the ruckus.
âI was obliged to ask Benedictâs secretary to take a voluntary leave, but keeping the title of prefect of the papal household and the salary,â Francis said.
Gaenswein later sealed his fate with Francis when he published a tell-all memoir, âNothing But the Truth,â in the days after Benedictâs Dec. 31, 2022, death that was highly critical of Francis.
âIt pained me that they used Benedict. The book was published on the day of his burial, and I felt it was a lack of nobility and humanity,â Francis said.
Francis insisted that Benedict always deferred to him, defended him and supported him and was not behind any of the conservative attacks or manoeuvres to undermine his authority.
He denied that his dry homily during Benedictâs funeral, criticized by conservatives as lacking praise, was a sign of anything other than liturgical protocol.
âYou donât deliver eulogies in homilies,â he said.